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take_me · Oct 29, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

I'll have to agree with Tramp and capitalist.

Rare items should remain rare. Certain skins should only be available not inscribable.
That's what makes them special. And having a rare skinned item with good stats doesnt give you an advantage over other players, so why change it?

That's what still keeps many players in this game: The hunt for items to complete their collections. Only just yesterday I finally got my 20/20 Earth Celestial Staff after looking for one for ages.
I really really hope certain items remain only available in Factions, or this will kill the game for a lot of people.

jaximus · Oct 29, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

im glad those skins arent inscribable, they are all neat and therefore i hope they remain untouched. the z chest ruined a lot of stuff

Tramp · Oct 29, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by take_me

That's what still keeps many players in this game: The hunt for items to complete their collections. Only just yesterday I finally got my 20/20 Earth Celestial Staff after looking for one for ages.
I really really hope certain items remain only available in Factions, or this will kill the game for a lot of people.

{shakes my fist!} DAMU.... i was bidding on that one too but got distracted and forgot about it.

Dr.Jones · Oct 29, 2008, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

I bet it's because each area creature and chest in each area has a separate drop table.
So it would take a lot of time to update all areas to the new system. explorables, missions, elite missions, chests...
Phew! That would sure take a lot of time.
Giving a boss a drop it's not a problem, but giving each kind of different creature in the whole game a new table...?
Even if they were by 'properties': One for undead, another for skletons, another for monks, so an Undead Monk would get drops from all of those
That would still take a lof of time, if they are per area.

But I bet they will do the update like they did with armors sooner or later.

Some people may say that they want to keep 'old drops'. But truth is that some drops were removed forever, like some +15% unconditional damage ones, even when a LOT of people complained about that.
And some of those that had more than 1 obsidian set per character complained too when insignia were added.

When new things come and they are more comfortable and easy to use for all, only egoistic people would complain.

For now, you must seek the inscribed versions of Prophecies and Factions drops in other campaigns and in reward chests like Underworld, Fissure of Woe, The Deep, Urgoz's Warren, Zaishen and Hall of Heroes, and hope the one you seek is in their lists.

Not all of them have been found there, but there are so many that who knows if they will appear someday.

We already know that 80 of the players have around 20k in their storage. That's more or less the same % of players that don't bother to trade or are bored of it and must be also a similar number to those that never visit game-related sites other than their guild's or some wikies at all.

Most of those players prefer Inscriptions and Insignia, because since they don't bother about trading and know less about 'trends', they care more about what they use and see in their characters; while the rest of the players may or may not like them.
For me are quite handy, although they are sometimes annoying, since people usually sell only the 'most used' inscriptions and you must find yourself the rest, since there is no weapon upgrade trader. But that was even worse with no inscriptions, where people only saved even less stuff, caring mostly about the typical 15%^50 and +5 energy.

So, like they did with Insignia, for the greater good of all, an update is meant to be, sooner or later...

Sooner or later...

*Deep and reverberating evil laughter*

*cough* Ahem.

Although I bet it would be later. Maybe even after the crowd of "I want a WoW with no fees" players that want things like more levels and more rarity in items leave to GW2.

MithranArkanere, i am glad you already posted in this thread so i dont have to. lol yea i completely agree. sadly though Linsey dose not agree with us. she agrees with the other dolts that think there is a real market for non inscribe able weapons.

Surge goes pre · Oct 29, 2008, 08:11 PM // 20:11

You forgot one other skin not available from the Zchest

Amber Aegis <3

Personally i am happy they left some skins out of the Zchest- preserves rarity imo

MithranArkanere · Oct 29, 2008, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Originally Posted by Dr.Jones

MithranArkanere, i am glad you already posted in this thread so i dont have to. lol yea i completely agree. sadly though Linsey dose not agree with us. she agrees with the other dolts that think there is a real market for non inscribe able weapons.

Oh, no.
What she says is that "they don't want to mess with that".
It's... a bit different.

It's hard to change some things when a lot of people are used to them. Sometimes you must make a radical change, and sometimes you must make a slow and progressive change they don't notice.

Making items in Nightfall and Eye of the North drop non-inscribed while keeping a chance to get inscriptions for drops from bosses, some chests, reward chests, hidden treasures and treasures would be a good choice, to approach that.
Anther possible way could be to add a new PvE fixed modifier, that won't affect PvP, so items can be fully modded when getting to PvP, and keeping their full rarity in a PvE upgrade that would make the item more rare. And since it would be a PvE upgrade, it could go a bit over the 'balanced' edge, and green items could get really unique, by giving each one a really unique single PvE property that can be found only on them, like the "Damage: +9 (vs. Ogres)" the Ogre-slaying knife has, that has no effect in PvE, but... well... is'f not a great property, but it is really unique.

Althougth I'll just for got "Fixed:Base; Variable:Upgrades; Difference: Name color&Skin" for all equipment (now we have that only for armor and 55..60% of weapon drops), my main point will be always to have the same system in all campaigns.

In the same way it was not nice for some Old timers to see the Inscriptions, it's not very fun for someone that Player Nightfall and Eye of the North to get to Prophecies and see all that junk they can't use.

(For me th change was quite fun, actually, since I had an argument about how they should turn into replaceable upgrades all variable properties with someone ONE WEEK before the Nightfall preview, NOT knowing anything about the inscriptions and insignia.
The guy said that he would leave the game if they ever did what I was talking about.....
...now that guy stays in the game, and currently he plays most of the time in Eye of the North. XDDD.)

As I can see it. The better thing to do is something that makes most people happy, while removing as much as possible any 'division' between systems.
That kind of separations are not good. Imagine not being able to use skills from one campaign in another, or a profession in other campaign. What would be the point of making a Dervish there, if you only can use Nightfall skills and play only in Elona?
Like when you put a drop of in in the water, each added campaign should merge and change the whole.
And some changes were made in that way, like Reward chests and Prophecies end-credits.
More of those are always good, since they give the whole game a 'new' feel.

maraxusofk · Oct 29, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Dr.Jones

MithranArkanere, i am glad you already posted in this thread so i dont have to. lol yea i completely agree. sadly though Linsey dose not agree with us. she agrees with the other dolts that think there is a real market for non inscribe able weapons.

it really depends though. if u have a 15>50 tyrian crystalline or dwarven, u can still fetch quite a bit from it. req 8 15>50 tyrians are still somewhat popular, but thats probably because they are req 8. but yeah for the most part non inscribeables are hard sales.

Robbert Monga · Oct 29, 2008, 11:15 PM // 23:15

add this to the list:

got this today from z-chest...
the cruel irony is that i wanted +15-in stance

shogun avatar · Oct 29, 2008, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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Originally Posted by Robbert Monga

got this today from z-chest...
the cruel irony is that i wanted +15-in stance

No, you didn't. And btw, you CAN get inscribable version of all zodiac weapons from urgoz/deep end chests.

As for the thread...
As much as I'd like for some items to be rare and exclusive, i'd like to see all shields to come as inscribables. If a weapon is not insc and a rare skin, i'd just costumize and use it with whatever mod it already has, but getting an uninsc shield with stats that you like... well that's a pain in the ass....
I was very happy when i saw inscribable gloom shields and guardians of the hunt, now i just want to see the same with echovalds :P

Robbert Monga · Oct 29, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by shogun avatar

No, you didn't.

hmmm ?

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Originally Posted by shogun avatar

And btw, you CAN get inscribable version of all zodiac weapons from urgoz/deep end chests.

so what? zchest is a cross-campaign feature - it should always drop inscribable weapons. And before you tell me that zodiac is Factions-only skin - I did get other items from zchest that were Core or Nightfall, and yet didn't have inscription slot.
It's a silly bug, that has nothing to do with greater game design, nothing more.

tipiak · Oct 30, 2008, 10:43 AM // 10:43

Yeah, some shields are very rare to find because they're uninscribable. I was looking for a R9 gothic defender -2+45 stance when i had a bit of cash. It wasn't a money problem, the fact is that I couldn't find it for 2 months either IG or on forums (english, german and french). Some shields are hard to find and so, they're also very expensive. I saw an auction in High End last time on a R8 echovald, the last bid was 800 ectos and the seller decided to keep it. I also saw my dream shield (R9 amber aegis -2 stance +30), but the price is out of my league ^^
Even if I can't buy it, some items should remain extremely rare and expensive. You can trade/farm/whatever in order to buy it someday. When your dream comes true, you'll be proud of yourself.

Surge goes pre · Oct 30, 2008, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by tipiak

Yeah, some shields are very rare to find because they're uninscribable. When your dream comes true, you'll be proud of yourself.

Haha I know exactly what you mean. I finally found my q 10 strength amber aegis, and i must say it felt great

And yea you can't get a non inscribable weapon from the Zaishan Chest, it doesn't happen